On the same day that Berkshire Hathaway announced a $32 billion deal to acquire Precision Castparts Corp., Berkshire’s largest-ever acquisition, Buffett commented on a host of issues—the economy, the stock market and Federal Reserve intentions—in a telephone interview on CNBC’s Squawk Box.
Buffett was generally upbeat about the markets, but sounded a sour note about the likelihood of the Fed raising rates, perhaps in September, saying, “It’s very tough to push rates higher in the United States when Europe needs to keep them low.” However, he said “I keep hearing the various [Fed] governors saying it’s going to happen soon, so it may very well happen.” Perhaps reflecting his increased interest in imports and exports following the Precision deal, he went on to say “I don’t think it’s an easy decision” for the Fed to raise rates “when rates are considerably lower in Europe … you may be affecting exports and imports very significantly.”
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Berkshire (BRK.A) announced Monday it was offering $235/share for Portland, Ore.-based aerospace and energy parts manufacturer Precision (PCC), or a 21% premium above Precision’s $193.88 closing price on Friday. Berkshire said it would also acquire the net debt of Precision, which will continue to operate under its own name, making the deal worth $32.7 billion. BRK.A closed Aug. 7 at $215,463; BRK.B closed at $143.35; as of 12:30 Eastern time on Aug. 10, BRK.A was down 0.42% to $214,550; BRK.B was down 0.61% to 142.94.
In a statement, Buffett said, “I’ve admired PCC’s operation for a long time. For good reasons, it is the supplier of choice for the world’s aerospace industry, one of the largest sources of American exports.” Assuming it wins PCC shareholder approval and antitrust muster in both the U.S. and “certain foreign jurisdictions,” Berkshire expects the deal to close in Q1 of 2016.
When asked on CNBC whether today’s deal was Berkshire’s most expensive acquisition ever, Buffett responded first that “the most expensive deals are those that don’t work out,” but admitted “this was a very high multiple for us to pay.”
The questioning then turned to the markets. Does Buffett expect a double dip recession, especially after the current earnings season? “What’s happening with the economy is exactly what’s been happening for the past five years, moving ahead, growing at a 2%” rate,” he said. “The economy’s come back and it’s come back very well, considering the shock we had” during the financial crisis. “I don’t see it particularly accelerating or decelerating,” he concluded.
As for equities, as usual Buffett took the long view as to their attractiveness. “Stocks are going to be higher, perhaps a lot higher 10 years from now or 20 years from now,” he said. “I’m not smart enough to pick times to get out and get in. If you’re in something that’s going to be a lot higher over time—if you thought your house was going to go down 5% in price you wouldn’t sell your house [now and] hope to buy it back 5% cheaper” later.
“That’s not my game,” he said. “My game is to own decent businesses and own them at decent prices,” and if you do so, “you’re going to make a lot of money over time. I think the ability of people to dance in and out of the market is limited, and in my case it’s zero.”
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